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T. Paine [Visitor] — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:36:10 +0000

Ryan, in the grand scheme of things, I am in agreement with you, sir. Biden's latest lack of tact is indeed much ado about nothing. That said, I hope he is on the campaign trail "helping" Obama as much as possible between now and November.

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Ryan [Visitor] — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:51:45 +0000

Biden employed a slavery metaphor to suggest that a free market does not necessarily lead to a free people. It does not mean that he believes that a free market will reinstitute slavery or that Republicans want to reinstitute slavery. His beliefs shouldn't be in question here.

What we can question is his tactfulness. I imagine that there would be some controversy if a Republican politician suggested that Democrat policies will put people--or specifically black people--back in chains. Both sides should be consistent: either it is acceptable to use slavery metaphors to make a political point or it is not.

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

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Burr Deming [Member] — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:50:28 +0000

Thank you, T. Paine, for your own evaluation of Heathen's article. I'm glad I provoked you to access his well written entry. It is typical of his work.

I re-read his piece and I stand by my interpretation.

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JMyste [Visitor] — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:59 +0000

Mr. Paine,

“Despite your tongue in cheek comments, you are indeed correct that the facts do indeed speak for themselves. The fact that Obama is not behind in the polls by 40 points right now only proves that there are far too many Americans that are completely oblivious to facts and reality.”

That’s because they don’t have telling enough charts in front of them. You, and now, me, and Burr Deming, and the Heathen Republican all now know the facts. I suspect none of us will be voting for Obama any time soon.

“Well aside from the race baiting from this post-racial administration, it is flat out false and disgusting.”

Oh, I agree that it was in bad taste. He should have used a euphemism. On the other hand, just the other day, you implied that euphemisms muddy the waters so I really don’t know.

“Can you imagine if ol’ crazy Joe had been a Republican and said such a thing?”

Good exercise. Let me try.

Ooooommmmm.

The GOP would have pushed him out of the party like they do all conservatives who express a progressive thought.

“Lastly, Mr. Deming, I find myself in agreement with Heathen's analysis on his excellent Obama "speech" over yours, my friend.”

That statement is a little off-putting. Disagreeing is one thing, but saying, and “I agree with person X over you,” seems like you are not confident in your opinion and you are obsequiously agreeing with someone else in a desperate effort to add weight to it. Better to just give your opinion than to profess to being a wild dog joining the pack.

Hmm, now that I look back in time to a few minutes ago, my comment about your comment was also off-putting. Too late now. I am committed.

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T. Paine [Visitor] — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:59:06 +0000

Mr. Myste, I would contend that it is Obama that has proven that we must get him out of office; not me. I merely presented some of the damning data to show the damage that his “leadership” has done to our economy. Despite your tongue in cheek comments, you are indeed correct that the facts do indeed speak for themselves. The fact that Obama is not behind in the polls by 40 points right now only proves that there are far too many Americans that are completely oblivious to facts and reality. I pray to God that a majority wake up and vote Obama out of office, or we won’t have an America left by 2016.

As for Biden’s latest act of verbal stupidity, I assume you mean the “chains” comment. Why is that bad? Well aside from the race baiting from this post-racial administration, it is flat out false and disgusting. Can you imagine if ol’ crazy Joe had been a Republican and said such a thing? I think there would have been a whole lot more people all of a sudden thinking that the comment was “bad” then.

Lastly, Mr. Deming, I find myself in agreement with Heathen's analysis on his excellent Obama "speech" over yours, my friend.

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Burr Deming [Member] — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:36:02 +0000

Thank you for your self-evaluation, Heathen.

I re-read your piece and I stand by my interpretation.

As to whether your implication was crazy, I would agree if we could substitute "humorous" for "crazy".

I should add that, as usual, your post was well written. But, then, that is what we have come to expect from The Heathen Republican.

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The Heathen Republican [Visitor] — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:58:39 +0000

Burr, first I didn't claim that Obama was a singularly bad president. Since I was using his voice, it would have been crazy for me to even imply it.

Do you deny that he has failed to lead and has lost the hope and change feeling he created in 2008?

Do you deny that a speech like I proposed would bring Independents back to his side?

I know you like to offer drive-by comments without backing them up, but why don't you try commenting on the substance of what I wrote?

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JMyste [Visitor] — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:49:33 +0000

Why was Biden's comment bad again?

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JMyste [Visitor] — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:47:23 +0000

Holy crap, T. Paine! You have basically proved that we must get stinking Obama out of office. I would never have believed it, but you have the charts and I cannot rebut this now. The facts speak for themselves. Good job, sir.