Trackback URL (right click and copy shortcut/link location)

There was no heat.

I took your original comment to mean that you can't understand why people get angry over personal beliefs; I responded accordingly.

I'd still like a clear answer: Would you be bothered to learn that some people believe that 2 + 2 = 5? Are you afflicted, as I am, with "someone's wrong on the internet" syndrome?
01/08/13 @ 00:38
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
I suppose some people would argue that more evil is done in the name of religion than good. That argument makes the false assumption that such a thing can be quantifiable. As you pointed out (indirectly), "good men" use religion to justify their good, just as "evil men" use religion to justify their evil.

People who lead (themselves or others) become who they want to be, or try to, and they justify it in the name of religion. People who follow, and lack the ability to think very philosophically, are the problem. They can be easily manipulated with religious fear. I tend to think they would be a problem without religion also.
01/08/13 @ 08:50
Comment from: Jerry Critter [Visitor] · http://critterscrap.blogspot.com
"I tend to think they would be a problem without religion also."

Such as people who agree with political dogma without political thought.
01/08/13 @ 09:55
Comment from: Emily [Visitor]
Sorry, I'm pedantic. It puzzled me to see people use the term interchangeably when I've heard so many others say "I'm not religious, I'm spiritual." But the more I think about it, the more I think it's a case of rebranding when one word got a bad reputation (in someone's opinion).

@JMyste, "That argument makes the false assumption that such a thing can be quantifiable."

I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with this. I don't think things necessarily have to be quantifiable to make the comparison (if that makes sense...I might be misunderstanding something), but I think a larger problem is perception. I hope we can all agree that molestation of children is wrong, but opinions aren't so well settled on Mother Teresa or baptism of Holocaust victims.
01/08/13 @ 18:44
John,

If "bad people" will be bad with or without religion, "good people" will be good with or without religion, and people easily manipulated by fear will be easily manipulated by fear with or without religion, it seems that religion is unnecessary. But since religion also tends to promote illogical or unsupported beliefs about the world and declare often arbitrary (or outdated) moral codes to be absolute, it appears to do more harm than good in the sense that it causes unnecessary harm without bringing to the table any value that cannot be derived elsewhere.
01/08/13 @ 22:34
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
"If "bad people" will be bad with or without religion, "good people" will be good with or without religion, and people easily manipulated by fear will be easily manipulated by fear with or without religion, it seems that religion is unnecessary."

Your assumption is that the purpose of religion is to make us good. Religion fulfills a personal need, which has nothing to do with how good someone behaves.
01/09/13 @ 08:24
Comment from: T. Paine. [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
“But since religion also tends to promote illogical or unsupported beliefs about the world and declare often arbitrary (or outdated) moral codes to be absolute, it appears to do more harm than good in the sense that it causes unnecessary harm without bringing to the table any value that cannot be derived elsewhere.”

Ryan, I sincerely feel very sad for you, sir. I realize this is one more case where my words will have no impact on you whatsoever but I cannot help myself. How many millions and millions of people are healed in Catholic hospitals, educated in religious affiliated schools, or are the recipients of aid from religious charities; all because people of faith are trying to actually LIVE that faith as dictated by “arbitrary and outdated” moral codes to love one’s neighbor.
You are fascinating man, Ryan. What a cold world you must live in though.
01/09/13 @ 09:54
John,

I don't know about purpose, but religion certainly has various functions. If bad people will be bad people even with religion and good people will be good people even without religion, which remaining functions do you believe satisfy actual needs that cannot be satisfied in some other way?
01/09/13 @ 11:01
T. Paine,

I have never claimed that religious people never do good in the world. I have also never claimed that religious people have not used their religious beliefs as justification for their good behavior.

But the fact that some religions promote good behavior has no bearing on whether or not people of another or no religion can be good. A good person has a certain set of desires and beliefs and acts upon them intelligently; neither trait requires any sort of belief in the supernatural.

As for the bit about arbitrary and outdated moral codes, of course I do not mean that every aspect of a given religious moral code is arbitrary and outdated. There is value, for example, in raising people to not murder each other. A prohibition on shellfish consumption or gay marriage, on the other hand, no longer makes any sense.
01/09/13 @ 11:17

Leave a comment


Your email address will not be revealed on this site.

Your URL will be displayed.
(Line breaks become <br />)
(Name, email & website)
(Allow users to contact you through a message form (your email will not be revealed.)
« Benefits and Costs of Resisting Religious IrrationalityWhy People Get Angry About Religion »