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Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Excellent post, Mr. Deming! I find myself in agreement with you on all of your main points up to the point of your conclusion.

As followers of Christ we are indeed called to care for our own and to do what we are able to care for the "least of these". And so we absolutely should. We should not abrogate that responsibility to a leviathan, inefficient, cold and often ineffective federal government to care for people in need. We should be doing that ourselves through our families, communities, churches, charities and perhaps local governments. It is my contention that through these channels, we can better help those people rather than just pay more in taxes and assume that the federal government will take care of "those folks" for us, so that we don’t have to worry about our obligation of "loving our neighbor" is met.
08/22/12 @ 08:50
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you, T. Paine.

Although I object to the philosophy, I specifically refer to the active hostility toward those less fortunate expressed by some conservative audiences, shared explicitly by some members of Congress.

The denial of services is often more than the reluctant application of principle. It is accompanied by enthusiastic jeering.

You do see the distinction, right?
08/22/12 @ 09:06
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
T.Paine: “Excellent post, Mr. Deming! I find myself in agreement with you on all of your main points up to the point of your conclusion.”

I would like to second Mr. Paine’s accolades. Like Mr. Paine, I especially agree with this:

“What startled me, I suppose, was that the drinking, partying, and skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee was within a couple of weeks of the artificial budget crisis that nearly sank the U.S. economy.”

And this:

“Republicans, led by many who drank, then partied in the Sea of Galilee, held the nation hostage, demanding their agenda be strictly adhered to before America's obligations could be met.”

What the GOP did was unforgivable. I and T. Paine will not soon forget.

08/22/12 @ 10:23
"It is my contention that through these channels, we can better help those people rather than just pay more in taxes and assume that the federal government will take care of "those folks" for us..."

I agree to some extent. One generally does best by helping his own community first. However...

1.) Whether one pays taxes to the government or donates to a church or charity, he is usually just giving up some of his money so that someone else can do the work that reflects concern for his neighbor. There is not much difference in this sense.

2.) The benefit of using taxes to help others is that we are forced to pay them. While it would be nice for people to help others willingly, it is more important that those in need be helped than that the helpers willingly do so. This is a case of idealism vs. pragmatism. Rather than abandon the approach entirely, why not work to improve it?

3.) We are not limited to one form of charity. We can pay taxes, advocate for better government programs, and help out within our community all at once. Yes, Charity Barbie can do it all.
08/22/12 @ 10:41
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Mr. Deming, I am afraid I am not familiar with those myriads (less than three) of conservative audiences and those explicitly-hateful-towards-the-poor members of Congress of whom you speak. I am certain that such folks probably do exist, but I am also certain that they are an insignificant number. No offense is intended, but I suspect you see explicit hate from conservatives rather than a difference in philosophy on how best to help the poor.

Often times it goes back to that whole teach-a-man-to-fish-rather-than-give-him-a-fish idea. I know the intentions of most all of our progressive brothers and sisters is good, but simply feeding a man for a day only ensures that you will see him back at your doorstep tomorrow with a hungry belly. While that doesn’t mean we should slam our proverbial doors in his face, it does suggest the need for a better solution to the problem. Perhaps something that can help the person be self-sufficient and have a sense of dignity would be in order.

As for Mr. Myste’s comments, he obviously knows that I do not agree with the implied politics of his retort. That said, I will let him have this one small victory since they are few and far between when I must admit error in debate with him, if not defeat, on my part.

As for Sir Ryan and his first enumerated point, the difference is that the federal government collects our taxes and often distributes them in block grants to various NGO’s etc, some of which are not in as great of need as others, and some of which (like Planned Parenthood) are actually working in contrast to the beliefs of some of these charitably-inclined tax payers. If one is allowed to retain that portion of his tax money, he can see where needs are greatest in his own family or community. Perhaps a poorer school needs help with acquiring books; perhaps the homeless shelter needs help getting a jobs program off the ground and running; perhaps a local family lost their home in a fire. While you are correct, Ryan, that this sometime amounts to the same thing of giving money for others to do the work, such is not always the case. Further, local knowledge of what the needs are for the community tends to ensure that money and efforts are more likely to be dedicated to where the needs are greatest. This is often not so with our federal government’s efforts.

As for your second item, I would contend that many people don’t bother with donating their time or money because they assume, rightly or not, that the government will take care of those in need. If the government refrained from doing anything but what it was constitutionally mandated to do, I am certain that charities, churches, and communities would take up the slack just like before all of these myriads (more than three) entitlement programs were created.

Finally, I find myself in agreement with your third point, Ryan. Albeit I think the emphasis needs to be more on the community aspects rather than on the federally tax-payer supported ones.
08/22/12 @ 13:17
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
Mr. Deming, I am afraid I am not familiar with those myriads (less than three)

LOL. I love you Mr. Paine.

08/25/12 @ 14:36

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