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Comment from: Jack Jodell [Visitor] Email · http://jackjodell53.wordpress.com/
Both Paul RUIN (I call him that because his Ayb Rand-inspired ridiculous economic beliefs would destroy economic fairness in the country) and Mitt Romney are sleight of hand tricksters who have nothing to offer except more Harding-Coolidge economic ideas. Those ideas failed in 1929, during the 1980s, and again in the Great Recession of 2008. We can't afford any more of their "free market" nonsense. It has only created a record disparity of wealyh, and that is very detrimental to the country.
08/16/12 @ 09:44
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Mr. Deming, did you really just write with all sincerety and seriousness a sentence that contained the phrase, "Obama's deficit reduction"? Wow! Now that is true belief in spite of $5 trillion in contrary evidence.
08/16/12 @ 13:11
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
After all, if that were Bush spending that kind of taxpayer dollars, Obama would be calling him un-patriotic!
08/16/12 @ 13:12
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you T. Paine.

Mr. Romney was recently asked why he would not want to reduce the deficit right away. "The reason is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink." He added, that it "would put a lot of people out of work."

He was right. Both candidates say they want to reduce the deficit. Both say they want to get the economy moving first. One candidate has offered a detailed program to accomplish deficit reduction. That is President Obama.

Mitt Romney has offered to reduce the tax rate on the wealthiest Americans, essentially, to zero. He promises to make that up with whatever Congress can come up with. No other specifics other than an endorsement of the Ryan plan which does not affect deficits, except for claiming Obama military decisions as part of the Romney/Ryan plan.

As far as "unpatriotic", President Obama has not engaged in that sort of rhetoric. "should learn to be an American", "Kenyan anti-colonial worldview", "the welfare President", "Obama hates America" are words that come from leading Republican voices.
08/16/12 @ 18:41
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Mr. Deming, please direct me to where I can find Obama’s detailed deficit reduction plan. I am afraid I have been unable to locate it. Indeed his budget plan was so extreme that not one single member of the House of Representatives, including the Democrats, voted for it.

Next, I hate to be the one to rip those rose-colored glasses from in front of your eyes, but Obama is the king of “that sort of rhetoric”. See here for his “unpatriotic” comment about Bush when Obama was running for the presidency. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CMy2M32g4k The truly ironic thing is that this was one of the few times during an Obama speech where I actually agreed with every last word he said. Obviously, he never meant it since he is a far worse transgressor than Bush ever thought of being when it comes to spending. Further, while some of the title’s bestowed upon Obama by Republicans may not be very complimentary, such as the “welfare president”, the fact remains that under his stewardship welfare rolls have risen exponentially. But what do I know, I am just one of those bitter conservatives that cling to my Bible and guns. (I don’t recall who said that sort of rhetorical phrase. Do you know?)
08/17/12 @ 08:34
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you, T. Paine.

Actually, if you expand your search beyond FoxNews and those Breitbart off-shoots you enjoy, you might discover that President Obama has sent a dozen detailed plans to Congress. In only one instance have Republicans allowed a vote. Democrats had already announced they would oppose that because it had been supplanted by later efforts.

Here is a link to the latest effort.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/jointcommitteereport.pdf

Here is a more complete account of that one instance than your sources have allowed you to see.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget
08/17/12 @ 09:08
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
What? No comment on Obama's incendiary rhetoric, my friend? :)

By the way, Republicans have not had the power to disallow votes on any of Obama's plans for the first two years he was in office, and only hold sway in the House in the second two years.
08/17/12 @ 12:18
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you, T. Paine.

I pretty much stand on my response to your "incendiary rhetoric" remark. I don't know yet what you regard as unresponsive in my answer.

On to the deficit.

It is true that President Obama lost opportunities early on, on several fronts, in his many misguided attempts to obtain Republican cooperation.

Republicans, as we now know, had decided at a meeting the day after the inaugural to torpedo any potential accomplishments of the then new President.

When President Obama finally established the Simpson Bowles commission, Republicans, including Paul Ryan, vetoed every proposal to achieve a deficit reduction plan.

Still, the President has presented a dozen proposals to accomplish that. Republicans remain unwilling to participate in any meaningful discussions aimed at a resolution.

I appreciate your valiant attempts to show otherwise, T. Paine. But those darn facts keep holding you down.
08/17/12 @ 14:21
Comment from: The Heathen Republican [Visitor] Email · http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.com
Burr, how do I get to your world? It seems very peaceful.
08/17/12 @ 19:02
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Hi Heathen:

You do a lot of research. You are quite diligent. That's a start.

Keep studying. Maybe pray for wisdom as well. Think about going to worship service this weekend.

In time, the truth shall set you free, and you may find the inner peace and self-knowledge that your spirit craves.

Best I can do to help your journey along.
08/17/12 @ 19:36
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
I was happy to hear the conservatives who post here to concede that Obama has submitted budgetary plans also.

That was very big of you, MR. Paine. You don't need to retract your comments elsewhere. Just stop making the claim.
08/20/12 @ 09:37
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
It is very rare when I can totally agree with both Heathen and Burr at the same time. Heathen's question to Burr is a great one that is deserving of an honest answer. Mr. Deming's reply is a fantastic answer to that question, despite the fact that it doesn't quite account for the political delusions that our friend Burr is often afflicted by. :)
08/20/12 @ 09:51
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Mr. Myste, perhaps I would have been more precise had I said in the past that Obama has not put forth any "SERIOUS" budgetary plans. Please accept my humble apology for not including that vital adjective.
08/20/12 @ 09:53

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