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Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you, T. Paine.

As far as I know, the only indication of collusion has been that the same person appeared in two ads. In the previous appearance, he was one of many who spoke about the loss of benefits without any additional personal details.


There is additional uninformed speculation by some extremist sites, but I think you might agree that is to be discounted, even if they present their suspicions as fact, something I am sure nobody you or I know would ever do.
08/10/12 @ 10:19
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Mr. Deming, you are a good man, but you are absolutely wrong on this one, my friend.

Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter told CNN that, “I don’t know the facts about when Mr. Soptic’s wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance,” and yet she hosted a call where he clearly lays out the facts on May 14th of this year. Now all of a sudden this PAC, which by FEC laws is not legally able to coordinate with the Obama campaign, is putting out this ad of Mr. Soptic, that tells the exact same less-than-fully-truthful story that team Obama’s deputy campaign manager hosted. Hmmm… seems like there is indeed evidence of collusion, as the attached audiotape link below will attest to accordingly.

Also, I noticed that you may have inadvertently overlooked the fact that Mrs. Soptic still had her PRIMARY insurance coverage even after Mr. Soptic lost his job due to the evil Mitt Romney, sir. This is one more example of the lies and scorched earth campaign that Obama will wage in a desperate attempt to hold on to office. Like Stephanie Cutter, you may want to distance yourself from this mendacious ad, my friend.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-spox-claims-ignorance-of-ex-bain-employee-she-featured-in-a-call/article/2504373
08/10/12 @ 11:26
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you T. Paine.

That Ms. Cutter had met Mr. Soptik in public before proves collusion? That seems more than a little thin.

That Mrs. Soptic once had other coverage means she would not have been provided health care under her husband's coverage once her own was gone? I hadn't heard that, but it strikes me as less than thin.

A few right wing sites triumphantly noticed that the poor fellow wore the same shirt in two interviews.

You are attempting to prove that Mr. Romney met a requirement he did not, in fact, meet. The flaw in your reasoning is basic. Mr. Romney did not meet that requirement because that requirement did not exist.

You are defending the indefensible. Fortunately the indefensible needs no defending in this case. Romney had no obligation to Joe Soptic or his wife or any other uninsured person other than the obligation shared by any other citizen.

The Governor still has an opportunity to meet that obligation, even now, although it will no longer help Mrs. Soptic. He simply needs to enter his voting booth and cast his ballot for Mr. Obama.
08/10/12 @ 12:01
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Mr. Deming, it isn’t merely a matter of Ms. Cutter “having met Mr. Soptic in public before” that strongly suggests collusion. It is the fact that she adamantly claimed no knowledge of his story regarding his wife’s death due to his losing insurance, despite the audio I attached of her HOSTING a call back in May where Mr. Soptic told the whole story there. Did you listen to the audio, sir? The PAC then went on to create this ad of this story that was told and she HOSTED originally.

Further, Mrs. Soptic had her own insurance coverage as her primary source of health care. Her husband’s coverage was a secondary provider. His losing his insurance did not mean that Mrs. Soptic lost her primary source of medical insurance which was provided by her own employer. Again this information was within the previous links I provided. In other words, this is not thin at all, my friend, unlike good people still believing this story despite the emerging facts proving that this story has no relation to fact and should have started with , “Once upon a time…” That is what is thin, sir.
08/10/12 @ 12:27
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you again, T. Paine.

Okay, she hosted a program and heard the punchline before. Undoubtedly, she memorized it, thereby proving illegal collusion. And, darn it, I've misplace my tinfoil hat!!

Let's try this again.

You point out that Mrs. Soptic once had her own coverage. Your link reveals she lost that coverage later when she was forced by injury to leave her job. Had her husband not been deprived of his livelihood, much of his pension, and his own group insurance, she would have been covered as his spouse. That really hasn't escaped you, has it?

You keep trying to prove a point you cannot prove, a point that you do not need to prove, a point that presumes that a free market should operate much differently than it can.

You do see that, right?
08/10/12 @ 12:37
Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Indeed I do see that, and ultimately I support that free market, despite the fact that sometimes people are hurt by it. In the long run more people are helped by it.

I guess I misunderstood the original point of the post as I thought it was regarding a "truthful ad" that was unfair to Romney. Please forgive my confusion, Burr. Cheers to you anyway, regardless of my ignorance. :)
08/10/12 @ 13:00
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you again, T. Paine.

You are unfailingly self-effacing. You are, in this case, too modest. Your original impression was correct.

The ad was accurate, iridescent in its accuracy. And, like its critics, completely wrong in its premise.

That is why it remains unfair to Mr. Romney.
08/10/12 @ 13:07

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