Charting Dishonesty
By Burr Deming on Jun 20, 2012 | In News, Life | 13 feedbacks »
In response to: John Myste's
A Heretical Challenge to the Gospel According to Charts
You claim that skeptics ignore "the facts," "won't even consider them." You have a real opportunity to show that you are actually interested in the truth and if the charts are flawed, you wish to discover it, even if they are charts that support a liberal stance.
Aging continues to hold surprises for me. I had thought gray hair would bother me. It didn't. At least not much. As I lost even that gray hair, it proved to be a minor issue. I simply got brave and leaped on in before being completely pushed, shaving what few strands I had left. Aches and pains bother me, but not that much. I had sort of anticipated them, and discounted them as they came along.
I have noticed a tendency to rather pointlessly grunt as I sit or stand up. It's not pain or effort, just some habit. Where does that come from? Health fades a bit with time. Medical people prescribe a host of pills that have to be taken on schedule. All in a life. No deal.
What I did not expect, what caught me flatfooted, was the emotional toll of dentistry. Losing teeth was something experienced by friends who are considerably younger than I am. I don't notice it in them, and they seem to take it in stride. But dentures were a sort of terrible milestone with me. For some reason the continuous consciousness of what had once required only a minor bit of attention is a constant reminder of the passing of a clear demarcation.
I now focus on every bite. No choice. And the concentration reinforces the fact that I am undeniably older than I want to be.
Worst of all is the gradual loss of working memory. I keep lists now. I make sure to follow a rigid routine on major matters, so I won't forget something critical. My medications are divided each week into daily pill boxes. Without them, I simply cannot remember from one moment to the next whether I have taken what I should. I don't want to skip, and I don't want to double up.
When my friend John Myste drops by this site to attack me, I often cannot remember my guilt. His accusations are, not to put too fine a point on it, MYSTErious. Ha-ha-ha. See what I did there?
Sadly, it is not the first time John has had to intervene, pointing out some sin that had completely gone from my mind. Consider this major event from a while back.
This time, John condemns my dishonesty on a number of counts. John has a special dislike to charts and graphs, whereas I regard charts and graphs to be "data" and "gospel" and "truth". I decline to confront those who may disagree with me. Here is a small portion of John's rebuke:
You claim that skeptics ignore "the facts," "won't even consider them." You have a real opportunity to show that you are actually interested in the truth and if the charts are flawed, you wish to discover it, even if they are charts that support a liberal stance.
Since you consider the charts to be "data," "truth," "gospel," I suspect you will rush over their post haste and defend the truth.
John is quite right to condemn my practice of condemning skeptics. It is wretchedly unfair of me. The fact that I cannot recall a single instance of attacking skepticism is no excuse. I am doubly guilty, since I have long considered skepticism to be an honorable and worthwhile attitude.
I open myself to a further accusation of hypocrisy by pointing to an entire piece I wrote about, by chance, John himself. In it, I thought I had made clear the difference between skepticism and cynicism. Skepticism is the constant questioning of logic, evidence, and viewpoints. It is the intellectual challenge that forms the very heart of debate. I pointed, in an attempt at contrast, to cynicism as a reflexive and lazy rejection.
At the time, John sent a comment promising a later detailed reply. He undoubtedly provided one, although I do not recall it, and cannot find any evidence of it. The mind does fade with age, for I know John would not so hastily condemn my unconscious neglect of opposing views if he was more guilty than I could be. That would not have been honest.
Unfortunately, I am not the only debater to suffer John's scathing wrath. Another blogger is also guilty of dishonesty, combined with a blind acceptance of data whenever it is put into chart form. The Heathen Republican goes through considerable trouble to research his point of view. He usually buttresses his argument with his research, making it stronger. I have thought of this as a strength, an unmistakable indication of intellectual integrity. It took John to provoke an opposing epiphany.
I don't have the time to read The Heathen Republican as often as I wish I could. My loss. Every week I make it a point to at least scan his work to find something to comment on in a Saturday post at FairAndUNbalanced.com. It is my hope that those who follow this site will take a moment and experience Heathen's remarkable writing, as do his growing legion of readers. That I usually disagree with his conclusions will not be news to some. The difficulty I have is not disagreement, it is the sheer volume of quality. It is hard to choose from what Mario Cuomo would have called an embarrassment of riches.
Yes, The Heathen Republican is that good.
Until yesterday, I would have favorably compared The Heathen Republican to John his own self. "Everyone has strengths and weaknesses," I would have said. "One visible strength of The Heathen Republican is intellectual integrity. John has other strengths."
My difficulty in following John's profound logic is this:
In my simple world, a chart is simply a visual aid, a tool, a method of communication. If I describe a trend as a series of points tending over time in an accelerating direction, I may put it into graph form for the sake of clarity. I would regard it as "Gospel" to the same degree that I would regard a hammer to be a house.
In fact, in an idle moment, my poor mush filled mind fell absently to substituting other forms of communication into John's condemnation of all things graphical. A number of folks bravely engage in public speaking. I found myself taking out "chartsists" and putting in "public speakers." I came up with this:
I have a partial rebuttal to the Heathen Republican's brutal assault, but I really kind of let it go, because I have long wanted to see public speakers defend their positions honestly, which thus far rarely happens.
A lot of debaters accomplish their debating on the internet. Heathen and I both write, for example. So I absently expanded John's condemnation to writing, taking out "chartists" and "charts" and making a substitution:
Generally, writers do not defend their "facts," even when other writers clearly have writings that refute them. They do not seek out the refutations (not the obviously flawed ones, but the ones of their peers), nor do they generally respond to them. Heathen made a very unusual exception in this case, and I applaud it.
I'm sure Heathen will be pleased at receiving credit for this rare piece of bright and shining honesty in the otherwise dismal gray cloud in which he dwells with his charts. At least he gets out into the cleansing fresh air, even if rarely. As John points out, I am perpetually imprisoned, with no redeeming features at all, stuck deep on the sandy bottom of an ocean of dishonest charts.
In fact, since words themselves are a tool of communication, and they can also be used dishonestly, I started putting in the word "word". This changed John's insight about my hypocrisy, the hypocrisy I can't seem to remember, regarding skeptics:
You claim that skeptics ignore "the facts," "won't even consider them." You have a real opportunity to show that you are actually interested in the truth and if the words are flawed, you wish to discover it, even if they are words that support a liberal stance.
Once I became aware of what I was doing I confess that I went a little crazy, in an elderly sort of way. In for a penny, as they say. Marching along a mental path that would disappoint a purist such as John, I put "communication" itself on trial. John's critique became this:
Since you consider communication to be "data," "truth," "gospel," I suspect you will rush over their post haste and defend the truth.
See you there.
Next week, John will join other Amish folk and condemn the dishonesty inherent in ... you know ... electricity.
See you there.
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13 comments
You are a master at your craft. Your tolerance and wit amaze me. Keep up the good work, charts and all.
1. I did eventually compose a long response to the article that I promised to respond to. I did not post the response, as I decided that it came across as unduly aggressive. Perhaps I shall rethink that.
2. Your word substitutions are ridiculous. I believe that you made them to suggest that you do not claim charts or stats to be facts, but to be communication. Just as your communication and words make a point, the charts themselves are communication, and that is what it is all about. However, you use the charts to show "facts," that republicans are close-minded for not agreeing with you. "Epistemic Closure" explains why the The republicans think one thing and you another, and you "have the data" republicans ignore due to their republicanness. Therefore, your word substitutions are no different than your charts themselves: an attempt to justify your position instead of arguing what you believe for the reason you believe it.
You said you don't have time to be challenged by a Conservative like the Heathen Republican, one who debates partially in your style, because his site has too much volume. I reject that as another justification.
You have time to scan the news and comment on easy target articles, seemingly every night. Why don't you have time to challenge someone you think capably represents his Conversation philosophy.
You are like a boxer who laments he does not have time to box adult men.
I suppose old age catches me again. I do not recall saying I have no time to be challenged. Challenges come my way fairly often, frequently from you.
Regardless of the perpetual and joyful rush that is my schedule, I make of point of taking the time to read our friend the Heathen Republican each week. His writing makes it worthwhile. I regret not being able to delve into all of his work. He really is quite good.
Saying that debating you rather than pursuing him even further is the same as boxing a child rather than an adult, well, I suppose you are entitled to that opinion. I feel you are too hard on yourself. In fact, while you will probably never become an even match, you might lose to Heathen less often, and less spectacularly, if you would stop foregoing the value of evidence, whether in the chart form or in words and figures. His advantage is not that he is an adult boxer to your inner child. It is that you bring your wits to a gun fight. He brings a row of cannons.
I can say that you are correct about word substitutions producing absurd results. I would not describe them as "Epistemic Closure." They are more akin to "reductio ad absurdum," illustrating the absurdity of the original logic.
That would be ... your ... original ... logic, John.
I am trying to address this (as you already know).
"http://fairandunbalanced.com/blog1.php/2011/03/15/political-self-immolation
where you assert that Republicans disagree with you in spite of real world data because they are simply closed minded and will not examine your data. (That sounds kind of like your attitude toward Heathen's data, does it not?)
At any rate, I should summarize how I understand the current state of our disagreement. My position is that my friend is mistaken in his approach. His position is that I am personally dishonest. So there you have it.
He also points out that my dishonesty is compounded by the fact that I am dishonest about my dishonesty. I don't really know for sure how many degrees of dishonesty can be spiraled by this pattern. I would guess six would be the limit. Dishonesty about the dishonesty concerning dishonesty regarding dishonesty ... how many is that so far?
Part of his latest accusation is based on his disbelief that a heavy schedule compels me to be somewhat circumspect in how I use limited time. He would doubtlessly expound on this accusation further, but, as he pointed out earlier, he is pressed for time.
I suppose I must accept personal responsibility for failing to grasp some of his accusations. Certainly it must be a result of my own lack of mental agility, rather than what would otherwise be John's cloudy lack of clarity.
As for my dishonesty, I can only express my dismay. I hate it when I encounter a good judge of character.
Ahahahaahhaha.
That was entertaining. Actually, I don't think you are dishonest in your approach. I should not have implied that. I think you are intellectually dishonest in your approach, which is not the same thing.
I love evidence, as I showed in the orginal agressive response that I decided was too rude to post. However, charts are only good evidence if they present and address both sides of the argument. Sadly, yours do not.
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