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Comment from: T. Paine [Visitor] · http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com
Burr, that was masterful and a worthy rebuke in backhanded fashion of our chart-loathing friend! I think I am going to go celebrate by creating a few charts for my next post. Cheers to you, my friend!
06/20/12 @ 08:36
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you Mr. Paine. I look forward to your dishonest visual presentation.
06/20/12 @ 08:48
Comment from: Jack Jodell [Visitor] Email · http://jackjodell53.wordpress.com/
Burr,
You are a master at your craft. Your tolerance and wit amaze me. Keep up the good work, charts and all.
06/20/12 @ 09:57
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you, Jack. What I lack in intellect, I try to make up in mendacity. The charts help a lot, because sometimes words just won't do.
06/20/12 @ 10:09
Comment from: The Heathen Republican [Visitor] Email · http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.com
While I have little time to comment this week, I want to acknowledge your kind words about my writing. You're a good man, Burr.
06/20/12 @ 18:54
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you, Heathen. I appreciate your efforts to teach us the virtues of conservatism. You really are very good. I confess that I remain a stubborn pupil.
06/22/12 @ 06:41
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
I just saw this, due to a very heavy work schedule. A few comments for now:

1. I did eventually compose a long response to the article that I promised to respond to. I did not post the response, as I decided that it came across as unduly aggressive. Perhaps I shall rethink that.

2. Your word substitutions are ridiculous. I believe that you made them to suggest that you do not claim charts or stats to be facts, but to be communication. Just as your communication and words make a point, the charts themselves are communication, and that is what it is all about. However, you use the charts to show "facts," that republicans are close-minded for not agreeing with you. "Epistemic Closure" explains why the The republicans think one thing and you another, and you "have the data" republicans ignore due to their republicanness. Therefore, your word substitutions are no different than your charts themselves: an attempt to justify your position instead of arguing what you believe for the reason you believe it.

06/26/12 @ 08:33
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
One more thing,

You said you don't have time to be challenged by a Conservative like the Heathen Republican, one who debates partially in your style, because his site has too much volume. I reject that as another justification.

You have time to scan the news and comment on easy target articles, seemingly every night. Why don't you have time to challenge someone you think capably represents his Conversation philosophy.

You are like a boxer who laments he does not have time to box adult men.

06/26/12 @ 08:37
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
Thank you John.

I suppose old age catches me again. I do not recall saying I have no time to be challenged. Challenges come my way fairly often, frequently from you.

Regardless of the perpetual and joyful rush that is my schedule, I make of point of taking the time to read our friend the Heathen Republican each week. His writing makes it worthwhile. I regret not being able to delve into all of his work. He really is quite good.

Saying that debating you rather than pursuing him even further is the same as boxing a child rather than an adult, well, I suppose you are entitled to that opinion. I feel you are too hard on yourself. In fact, while you will probably never become an even match, you might lose to Heathen less often, and less spectacularly, if you would stop foregoing the value of evidence, whether in the chart form or in words and figures. His advantage is not that he is an adult boxer to your inner child. It is that you bring your wits to a gun fight. He brings a row of cannons.

I can say that you are correct about word substitutions producing absurd results. I would not describe them as "Epistemic Closure." They are more akin to "reductio ad absurdum," illustrating the absurdity of the original logic.

That would be ... your ... original ... logic, John.
06/26/12 @ 20:28
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
You again intentionally misrepresent. As you already know, my claim is that you are unwilling to engage Heathen's facts, which seems ironic to me, if you are convinced in your position. The conservatives you do tend to engage pose no challenge. You intentionally go after conservative children and intentionally avoid those more capable.

I am trying to address this (as you already know).
06/27/12 @ 08:27
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
And you intentionally misrepresent again in the epistemic disclosure discussion. I was referring to things like this, of which there are many:

"http://fairandunbalanced.com/blog1.php/2011/03/15/political-self-immolation

where you assert that Republicans disagree with you in spite of real world data because they are simply closed minded and will not examine your data. (That sounds kind of like your attitude toward Heathen's data, does it not?)

06/27/12 @ 08:35
Comment from: Burr Deming [Member] Email
John Myste seems to believe that the use of visual illustrations, charts and graphs, is inherently dishonest. I confess his objection makes little sense to me unless his truer grievance is against the presentation of evidence itself as any part of debate.

At any rate, I should summarize how I understand the current state of our disagreement. My position is that my friend is mistaken in his approach. His position is that I am personally dishonest. So there you have it.

He also points out that my dishonesty is compounded by the fact that I am dishonest about my dishonesty. I don't really know for sure how many degrees of dishonesty can be spiraled by this pattern. I would guess six would be the limit. Dishonesty about the dishonesty concerning dishonesty regarding dishonesty ... how many is that so far?

Part of his latest accusation is based on his disbelief that a heavy schedule compels me to be somewhat circumspect in how I use limited time. He would doubtlessly expound on this accusation further, but, as he pointed out earlier, he is pressed for time.

I suppose I must accept personal responsibility for failing to grasp some of his accusations. Certainly it must be a result of my own lack of mental agility, rather than what would otherwise be John's cloudy lack of clarity.

As for my dishonesty, I can only express my dismay. I hate it when I encounter a good judge of character.
06/27/12 @ 22:01
Comment from: JMyste [Visitor]
"Part of his latest accusation is based on his disbelief that a heavy schedule compels me to be somewhat circumspect in how I use limited time. He would doubtlessly expound on this accusation further, but, as he pointed out earlier, he is pressed for time."

Ahahahaahhaha.

That was entertaining. Actually, I don't think you are dishonest in your approach. I should not have implied that. I think you are intellectually dishonest in your approach, which is not the same thing.

I love evidence, as I showed in the orginal agressive response that I decided was too rude to post. However, charts are only good evidence if they present and address both sides of the argument. Sadly, yours do not.
06/28/12 @ 08:44

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