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In Reply to T. Paine, of Saving Common Sense

Barton does this sort of thing often, without conscience. He is as dishonest a polemicist as you will ever find purporting to be an historian. Not to put too fine a point on it, he lies in service to the Lord. T. Paine, at Saving Common Sense, describes Barton as "a brilliant historian with nearly encyclopedic knowledge of America’s history".

- Burr Deming, March 10, 2012

Mr. Deming, from what source did you discover the duplicitouness of Mr. Barton? Please, oh please, tell me that it wasn't something as reliable as MediaMatters or the ilk.

- T. Paine, March 10,2012

Mr. Paine,

I assume that you and your remarkable historian are quite knowledgeable about what the Founders, blessed by He, thought about this Christian nation. I have always contended, it would seem falsely, that the Entity we reference as the Founders is a Fictitious Entity: that the Founders, Glorified be His Name, were actually groups of men with diverse political agendas, much as we would find today if we started over. Some Founders, Bless, wanted a strong federal government; others, Bless, preferred a weaker federal government. Some Founders, Hallowed in Righteousness, wanted a government that acknowledged Christianity in a substantial way, Others, Holy Others, did not.

I have read a lot about what the Founders thought about the American Christian Nation. I recommend this book to those of you who don’t know as much as T. Paine: “American Gospel: God, the Founding Fathers, and the Making of a Nation.” It is really good, not only because the author argues my belief, but because it is objective. It honestly acknowledges some of the Sacred Founders, Blessed be He, wanted one thing and the Others another. It also honestly acknowledges that most of Them recognized the Christian tradition of the new American citizens to be.

Now, quiz time. Mr. Paine, can you tell me who penned each of the following quotes?

"It is the fable of Jesus Christ, as told in the New Testament, and the wild and visionary doctrine raised thereon, against which I contend. The story, taking it as it is told, is blasphemously obscene"

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics.”

“Yet this is trash that the Church imposes upon the world as the Word of God; this is the collection of lies and contradictions called the Holy Bible! This is the rubbish called Revealed Religion!”

“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.”

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it."

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."

"The story of Jesus Christ appearing after he was dead is the story of an apparition, such as timid imaginations can always create in vision, and credulity believe. Stories of this kind had been told of the assassination of Julius Caesar."

"To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise"

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

“The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up.”

I have plenty more quotes for your entertainment, but I didn’t want to overwhelm you with too much joy at once.

I know it is hard to conceive of what dastardly men would have made such statements, so I will give you a clue: each of the quotes were written by Deists and each of the quotes were written by Holy Men. OK, that’s all you get. Go! Go! Go!

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